Prisons

I see our prisons are in the news again. I have long been a supporter of the ‘Prison Works’ policy of Michael Howard fame. The reality is that most crimes are committed by a small minority of the population. It logically follows that if you were to remove the whole of what might be called the criminal fraternity then crime would be drastically reduced. There is one way I would advocate reducing the prison population and that is by returning to their own Country the thousands of foreign prisoners in our jails. Jails are obviously costly to run and that we should as a nation be paying millions to lock up individuals who are not even British nationals is something which I believe much further progress could be made on.

14 thoughts on “Prisons

  1. I agree with the principle of returning these “thousands” (some minority !) of foreign prisoners into the care of their own, an opinion shared very strongly by your back bench colleague Philip Hollobone. Progress is being made to remove these wastes of space I believe but not nearly enough since they are enjoying better privileges than our elderly. I suggest the word “could” in relation to progress be changed to “must”.

  2. I certainly agree with your opinion that these “thousands” ( some minority!) of foreign prisoners be returned to the care of their own as is also the opinion of your back bench colleague Mr Philip Hollobone. The equally disgraceful consequence of keeping these burdens on our prison and welfare bill is that they enjoy better privileges than some of our elderly. I respectfully suggest your word “could” in relation to progress in removing these people be changed to ” must” since it is still at least 2 years away from governing ourselves and making our own decisions.

  3. Hi David, and Brian. I thought the objective was to reduce prison numbers? According to your foreign office, up to 5700 British are arrested abroad each year. Prisoners abroad quote 4000 imprisoned each year. Whatever statistics you use, it appears British criminals abroad vastly outnumber foreign criminals on our shores. Assuming any other state would want a like for like treaty to allow your idea to work, would that not increase numbers, or does my maths fail me? Thanks in advance for your response.

    • I would imagine that arrested and imprisoned Brits abroad do not spend as much time incarcerated as some of our prison population do. I doubt if many are child groomers or extremist murderers to the same extent. Facts on this would help the argument. ?

      • So British criminals are nicer than foreign criminals. Did Trump help come to your assumption? The very first example you raise in relation to child grooming, do you not remember Gary Glitter? Maybe you do, but choose instead to ignore such inconvenient examples that counter the view that foreign criminals are worse than British ones.

      • You did. You also publically doubted the level of criminality that Briton’s have engaged in, compared to their foreign counterparts. It was that public assertion that I was questioning, and the need for it. Toodle pip.

  4. I suspect that you will find that the VAST majority of people in this country will agree with that sentiment, Mr Nuttall. Break the law in this country, and you are no longer welcome in this country; you shall be returned from whence you came, for your home country’s authorities to deal with as they think fit.

    “Ah,” some might argue, “but what about their human rights?” Oh, dear. This might be considered too simple, but I feel that when you break the law, you will have wilfully denied others their “human rights.” In doing so, you have automatically abrogated some of your own “human rights.” You’ve made your bed – now lie in it.

  5. Listening last night to the radio. It was stated that there are 85,000 prisoners in jail in the UK. 10,000 of these are E.U nationals. British Nationals in E.U jails number 1,000. Bit of a no brainer! Do a swap. After all the E.U imposes rules to all. Reduce our prison population by 10%. — No chance.

    • I don’t quite know how or why we’ve strayed on to the topic of the EU, but anyway. Rather than some bloke off the radio, the most recent confirmed statistic available quotes that 10,649 (not just EU nationals) of the UK’s prison population were foreign nationals in 2014. The charity prisoners abroad estimates up to 4000 British citizens are incarcerated each year, meaning the total number locked up is likely to dwarf that of the 10,000 foreign nationals held here. I’ll ask again, if the aim is to reduce prison numbers, and making the reasonable assumption that any other state would like act like for like in terms of deporting convicted criminals, would that not increase prison population?

      Following on from the government cutting national debt like they promised from £850bn to £1.5tr, I’m a little worried that the calculators seem to be malfunctioning currently at Downing Street. Maybe you could order some new ones David?

  6. There you have it. You have two whole years to clean out our prisons. Act like we “left” the EU and that will be real progress for once

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